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Messages - David Bone

The Rig / Re: Gunter Rig
February 13, 2019, 07:29:26 PM
I agree with David.
Examples of high peaked gaff shown in the gallery are: WB106/96/95/91.
The Rig / Re: Wanted : Shroud chainplates
February 13, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
Hello again Paul,
As your rigger says, 7mm, 1/19 wire is probably too stiff to go round a standard thimble.
Suggest you consider a swaged fixed eye end fitting, to which you can attach a bow shackle. I now have one on the bobstay lower fitting.  (See  wire rigging fittings/wire terminals for examples.)

Yes the picture shows 5mm stainless shrouds with talurit splices and standard thimbles.
The Rig / Re: Wanted : Shroud chainplates
February 10, 2019, 07:33:48 PM
Hello Paul,

Good to see you back on the forum.

I had my shrouds made up by in 5mm, 316 stainless 7/7 wire rope, with a talurit splice and hard thimble eye each end. The thimble being quite big enough to take several turns of rope lanyard. will do the same in 1/19 or 7/19 S/S wire rope.

I went for the 7/7 configuration as it is strong but with a degree of flexibility.

Good Luck.

Miscellaneous / Re: Buying advice please
November 24, 2018, 07:46:59 PM
Hello John,
I hope the two vessels on your list are yielding positive results.
Provided they are basically sound, which due to their robust construction, they should be, anything else can be fixed with a little patience, hard work and enjoyment. The forum provides 'fixes' for most problems.
Miscellaneous / Re: Buying advice please
November 10, 2018, 05:46:04 PM
Hello John,
From your research on the forum, you will have established that the Winklebrig is a robust, well designed little vessel, with few faults.
As WB93 & 103 are later models, they will benefit from a 2" higher coach roof than earlier ones, also should have externally removable, composite bilge boards and a lighter plywood rudder, both desirable features.
Components used at build, including wooden bulwarks, are of good quality, easily removed for renovation if necessary.
In general, maintenance on a Winklebrig is pleasurable and need not be expensive.
Of the two mainsail options, having used both, I prefer the High Peaked Gaff but as you say, others equally favour a Low Peaked Gaff and Topsail.
Indespension trailers are well made and replacement/upgrade parts readily available.
I wouldn't be too worried about a cloudy hull. Mine, of the same vintage, spends at least 6 months each year on the water and gets its fair share of dings, yet on retrieval, four hours work with T-Cut, restores it to near new appearance.
At the competitive price asked, both boats are well worth a visit.
If I can be of any help, give a call at Tel: 01229 585368.
As Martin says, you won't regret being the Owner of a Winklebrig.
Regards: David

The Rig / Re: Wanted : Shroud chainplates
October 27, 2018, 06:33:57 AM
I agree and mounted second shrouds, attached to a lower mast band, in parallel with the originals for this reason.
Also, in addition to an inner forestay, consider an internal mast support, essential if you intend to push the boat. (Martin's 'Strengthening for coastal use.)
The Rig / Re: Wanted : Shroud chainplates
October 20, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
Hello Chris,

I got mine made up by Classic Marine, of bronze plate, to the same pattern as originals.
(WB 107)

Miscellaneous / Re: 'Winkle'. For sale.
August 05, 2018, 10:44:14 AM
Hello Martin,
I have incorporated many of your good ideas from the forum into my Winklebrig and your book is invaluable.
Thankyou very much and good luck for the future.
The Rig / Re: Bilge pltes
July 15, 2018, 05:40:14 AM
Hello Phil,  I should have made the connection long before, shipmates in 1963 on the 'Port Sydney.'
Best regards. ( )
The Engine / Re: Electric outboards
July 11, 2018, 09:29:24 PM
Hello Martin,
Thanks for your advice, particularly re sun damage to the remote controller, which has now received attention.
The Engine / Re: Electric outboards
July 07, 2018, 08:17:59 PM
Responding to Gerold & David's inputs, here are some initial impressions of the Torqeedo Travel 1003CS.

1/ Gerold notes that the propellor rotates under sail at speeds over 2.5 knots.
So far, at speeds up to 4.5 knots, I have noted no rotation and think this is probably due to the unit being sited higher, with the 2 bladed propellor shielded fully behind the keel.

2/ Attached is a table of speeds, time and distance ranges achieved at a trial on Coniston Water and wonder how this compares with Gerold's experiences.

3/ At 3/4 throttle and above, there is considerable turbulence and backwash in the outboard well, which will be holding back some potential speed and in the longer term, I may well fit removable baffle plates in the bottom of the well. (a.k.a. Roger Parrish) My higher propellor position probably makes this more noticeable.

4/ Whilst certainly much quieter than a petrol outboard, the unit is by no means silent and above 1/2 throttle, there is a fairly high pitched whine from the gearbox.
(Competitor, EPropulsions's, comparable unit has a direct drive, brushless DC motor, which is apparently quite and of lower pitch.)

5/ To lock the battery to the motor unit, a long pin is inserted from the side, too long to be fitted whilst in the well, so the whole unit has to be assembled before lowering into position, which is a nuisance.  The battery is fairly well secured on the motor with location lugs and unlikely to dislodge, so I made a shorter hardwood pin, allowing me to secure the motor on the mounting bracket, then fit the battery and lock it on one side whilst in the well. Due to restricted space around, I think the boat would have to near capsize for the battery to fall off.

6/ Response, ease of use and hence manoeuvrability is greatly enhanced over a petrol outboard.

7/ The tiller/control unit display information is comprehensive and most useful. (Not least under sail.)

8/ In the past, I have usually only used the outboard when essential, for about 20 mins each outing, so for this use range would not be an issue but I plan to make more use of this electric unit and it remains to be seen whether one battery will provide sufficient resources.  Current thoughts are that the manufacturer's battery duration claims are optimistic and I am a little disappointed. (Additional batteries are unfortunately, very expensive.

These are very much first impressions and may change with more experience.
The Engine / Re: Electric outboards
June 23, 2018, 05:23:37 AM
Hello Gerold,
My experience with the Torqeedo is recent and limited, so I haven't yet fully established its qualities.
Intended use is on the English lakes, where I feel it should do well and also be more environmentally friendly. (Noise, fumes and safety with grandchildren overnighting.)
However, I do agree, that for the sea, it would be inadequate and a petrol outboard is presently the only viable solution, so have retained my Mariner 4 for this use.
Return greetings from Cumbria.
The Engine / Re: Electric outboards
June 19, 2018, 09:01:59 PM
I recently installed a Torqeedo 1003CS on W/B 107.
When mounted on the originally positioned outboard bracket, the fin of the motor projects about 4" below the keel and as I have an attraction for shallow water, with the occasional grounding, I moved the bracket up by 110mm.
By inserting 10mm spacers behind the bracket, the battery clears the well back plate by about 5mm, without modification and the forward end of the propellor hub clears the aft end of the keel by 15mm.
In operation, this works o.k.
I elected to install the optional remote controller, instead of the tiller, as I felt this would intrude too far into the cockpit and be a nuisance. The remote is bolted to a right angled plywood bracket, angled up by 30 degrees for screen visibility, which in turn is bolted through to the port locker, secured by hand tightened wing nuts, permitting removal after each outing.
Attached, should be a couple of photographs, illustrating the installation.
David Bone
I wouldn't worry too much, whilst it may be very desirable to upgrade your trailer, I am sure there are plenty of Winklebrigs being towed around the place with just the same trailer. I certainly know of one, around the same vintage as yours, which has been the length and breadth of the Country over several years
If the trailer has been well supported and protected it should get you home okay and you can review the situation then.
Good luck. 
The Rig / Re: Gunter Rig
June 27, 2017, 04:37:40 PM
High Peaked Mainsail: